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Post by motorman on May 21, 2007 10:42:42 GMT 1
Well, wasn't it what we all expected? Both teams canceling each other out.
I am not a supporter of either side but I think that Giggs'ys 'goal' should have been allowed.... or he should have had a penalty.
Wait, before you argue hear me out.
When the ball came across Giggs was 'fouled' by Essein. He took Giggs legs with a tackle from behind forcing him off balance and changing the angle Giggs was trying to get the ball. (Penalty). The momentum from this sent Giggs into the 'keeper and the ball def went over the line. Not sure if the ref asst could see this as Smith may have been in the way, however, the keeper made a forward movement and when he stopped, the ball was on the line. Ref should have seen that.
So either a goal or a penalty in my opinion.
But as I say, I am not a supporter of either club so good luck to Chelski.
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Post by judgejohn on May 21, 2007 11:33:28 GMT 1
Lot being made of Essiens tackle on Giggs but it looked to me like both players threw themselves at the ball. Even after all the replays I could not clearly say that Essien caught Giggs as he was already throwing himself at the ball. I think this is maybe what the ref saw and when Giggs then slid into Cech pushing him over the line, the choice was a foul or play on. Thing is though, the line for United is about 3 foot behind where it is drawn on the pitch as Mendez and every spurs supporter will tell you. I admit I do support Chelsea  Maybe we need to introduce 'Hot spot' technology currently being used in the cricket ;D |
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Post by buggalugs on May 21, 2007 12:50:16 GMT 1
I used to be a United supporter, more of a well-wisher these days, but my view is that if they wanted to win the cup they should have buried some of the other chances they had, and that a defender of Ferdinand's reputation and salary level shouldn't have been dragged away from his man so easily by what was a fairly straightforward 1-2
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Post by judgejohn on May 22, 2007 13:35:34 GMT 1
Quality point well made bug  |
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Post by buggalugs on May 22, 2007 13:44:36 GMT 1
Cheers.
I really want to love Ferdinand, because I love to see skilful ball-playing central defenders, but as the beneficiary of consistently intense media hype throughout his career, he seldom delivers.
Just watch the goal on youtube - he stands there ball-watching as Drogba runs past him. Blaming van der Saar is very harsh indeed. Yes, he hesitates, but only because he probably expected his £120,000-a-week defender to do the basics.
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Post by grassroots on May 22, 2007 16:22:46 GMT 1
Well, wasn't it what we all expected? Both teams canceling each other out. I am not a supporter of either side but I think that Giggs'ys 'goal' should have been allowed.... or he should have had a penalty. Wait, before you argue hear me out. When the ball came across Giggs was 'fouled' by Essein. He took Giggs legs with a tackle from behind forcing him off balance and changing the angle Giggs was trying to get the ball. (Penalty). The momentum from this sent Giggs into the 'keeper and the ball def went over the line. Not sure if the ref asst could see this as Smith may have been in the way, however, the keeper made a forward movement and when he stopped, the ball was on the line. Ref should have seen that. So either a goal or a penalty in my opinion. But as I say, I am not a supporter of either club so good luck to Chelski. I agree and disagree with this motorman. I agree with you there was a possible penalty claim but the goal should never stand as Giggs pushed Cech into the goal. With todays (over) protection on Goalkeepers i dont think the Ref would never even considered it a goal (if it was the 60s or 70s he would of done). I will point out i am not a Chelsae or Man U Fan (No way) as i support Man Us M62 rivals! Oh Yes i am a Liverpool fan! Just hope they win on Wednesday night!   |
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Post by judgejohn on May 23, 2007 14:25:50 GMT 1
Interesting Grassroots that the keeper concerned here has just returned from a life threatening fractured skull for which he did not even get a free kick and when replaced by Cudicini he faired no better with an even more outrageous challenge that also went unpunished. Not sure this qualifies as over protected
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Post by ianh on May 23, 2007 16:16:12 GMT 1
football is a contact sport! in my day they just got up and carried on
and still had enough energy to give the wife a sound beating when they got home
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Post by motorman on May 23, 2007 17:03:26 GMT 1
football is a contact sport! in my day they just got up and carried on and still had enough energy to give the wife a sound beating when they got home In my day not only did we go home and soundly beat the wife after getting pi**ed but also used the belt on the kids (did them no harm?) if the bath hadn't been run, or was too hot or cold. (I can see a Monty Python sketch developing here!!) |
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Post by buggalugs on May 23, 2007 18:06:14 GMT 1
Thrashed to sleep wi' a broken bottle?
Lick road clean wi' tongue?
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Post by grassroots on May 23, 2007 18:24:41 GMT 1
football is a contact sport! in my day they just got up and carried on and still had enough energy to give the wife a sound beating when they got home I totally agree that football is a contact sport but you cant deny that goalkepers are more protected now a day than they used to be. I agree Judgejohn that the players that made contact with Cech (Fractured his skull) should of been punished as he was very late (the same with Cudicini) which was totally unfair on both goalkeepers. Thats inconsistancy for you! But surely for a goal to stand fairly the player has to score with the ball not the goalkeeper? There seems to be a problem with football getting namby pamby, especially european footy! So dont get me wrong i agree on those points. What i am trying to say is that Giggs goal should never of be given. still had enough energy to give the wife a sound beating when they got home You must of been on the Stella Ianh? ;D Believe me im the worst at slide tackling when play football. Just ask Jonmac (when we played the 5 a side freindly). I spent most of the time sliding on my Idiot!!!! ;D Oh Er missus! |
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Post by ianh on May 23, 2007 18:50:31 GMT 1
still had enough energy to give the wife a sound beating when they got home You must of been on the Stella Ianh? ;D I think that was her name  even from where I was sitting in row 3000000......... You could see that the ball and goalkeeper were pushed over the line |
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Post by motorman on May 24, 2007 10:40:31 GMT 1
Yes ianh, because Giggs was fouled and the momentum sent him into the keeper. If Essien hadn't fouled, Giggs would have got the ball and put it passed the keeper. Again, goal or penalty!
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Post by grassroots on May 24, 2007 11:41:36 GMT 1
Yes ianh, because Giggs was fouled and the momentum sent him into the keeper. If Essien hadn't fouled, Giggs would have got the ball and put it passed the keeper. Again, goal or penalty! I suppose when you look at it like that its a Penalty! Im still crying over last nights result! Answer this! How can AC Milan be allowed to play in europe after the match fixing them and Juventus went through? Juve got thrown out of europe and relagated and AC milan just got points deduction and by what i heard they were the worst in this match fixing thing!  Rant over............. Pheeew! I feel better now!!!!  |
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Post by motorman on May 24, 2007 12:00:22 GMT 1
AC Milan played like a frightened team in the first half. Short passing, long balls being played and players not making forward runs. Got to say though, their second goal was a match winner.
Liverpool should have wrapped it up but only playing one up front meant that the wide men Pennant/zenden, didn't have anything to aim for and had to keep holding it up or playing it back.
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Maybe we need to introduce 'Hot spot' technology currently being used in the cricket ;D
