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Post by Chopperla on Dec 3, 2007 16:29:45 GMT 1
I see the draw for the last 8 was made today and Daventry United are still in it!!?? Anyone shine some light on this for me? Looks like its over for Dav! They're not denying it?! Don't know where it leaves Wootton though? Maybe they will just give Kisl a walkover? Taken from Daventry Express website..... 'Admin Error' may KO United" Daventry United have resigned themselves to being thrown out of the NFA Junior Cup competition after inadvertently fielding an ineligible player in this month's easy 5-1 win over Northampton-shire Combination minnows Wootton St George. Former club captain Ian Waldock rejoined the Royal Oak club recently having been an almost permanent fixture on the substitutes' bench at Southern League Woodford United in the first three months of the season. Unfortunately, the only time that Waldock made the starting line-up at Woodford was in the NFA Senior Cup tie, in which he gave away a penalty in the 3-1 defeat by Brackley Town at St James Park. The talented young midfield player then turned out for the Daventry club oblivious to the fact that you cannot play for more than one club in NFA cup competitions in the same season. United manager Darran Foster put the mishap down to an "administrative mistake" before admitting, "You don't always pick up on these sort of things as there are a thousand and one other things for the manager to be thinking about. "Ian himself had no idea that he was ineligible for the cup-tie at Wootton on account of appearing in the Hillier Cup game at Brackley a month earlier. "There is little doubt we will now be thrown out of the competition." Meanwhile, Woodford chairman Andy Worrall confirmed that the NFA had contacted him to verify Waldock's appearance at Brackley. Sadly, Daventry United (formerly Ford Sports) were marginal favourites to win the Junior Cup for the first time after beating much-fancied neighbours Daventry Town by a 5-3 margin in the second round. Added to that, the draw for the quarter-finals had also been kind to the Motormen, who had avoided UCL opposition on being given an away tie with village club Kislingbury, whose good track record in the competition is now likely to be put to the test by a reprieved Wootton outfit. |
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Post by buggalugs on Dec 3, 2007 23:39:19 GMT 1
There's no excuse for not knowing the rules. Wootton St George were well aware that Josh Urquhart was ineligible because he'd played in the Senior Cup for Spencer, so he didn't play.
If Daventry United are to forfeit the game, then surely Wootton St George must be reinstated?
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Post by phoenix on Dec 5, 2007 16:41:22 GMT 1
There's no excuse for not knowing the rules. Wootton St George were well aware that Josh Urquhart was ineligible because he'd played in the Senior Cup for Spencer, so he didn't play. If Daventry United are to forfeit the game, then surely Wootton St George must be reinstated? Looks like Josh has a foot on both camps, played (and captained) Spencer the other night in the League Cup according to Mitoo |
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Post by buggalugs on Dec 5, 2007 17:26:37 GMT 1
Yes, I suppose it could appear that way.
Alternatively, it could be that his registration with Spencer has not been cancelled and he was happy to help out a manager he has a huge amount of respect for.
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Post by thepinkun on Dec 7, 2007 11:31:11 GMT 1
The draw on the Northants FA site has been changed and Dav Utd are no longer in it.
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Post by phoenix on Dec 7, 2007 11:47:24 GMT 1
Yes, I suppose it could appear that way. Alternatively, it could be that his registration with Spencer has not been cancelled and he was happy to help out a manager he has a huge amount of respect for. So much respect he left and plays 3 levels below! And I thought he disliked the 'traveling' so only plays home games? |
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Post by buggalugs on Dec 7, 2007 14:30:38 GMT 1
Clearly you don't know the situation or the individuals concerned as well as you think you do.
Interesting you think that choosing to play 3 levels below is a sign of disrespect? Surely accepting an illegal approach from another UCL Prem club would have been more disrespectful?
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Post by phoenix on Dec 8, 2007 14:39:38 GMT 1
Yes, I suppose it could appear that way. Alternatively, it could be that his registration with Spencer has not been cancelled and he was happy to help out a manager he has a huge amount of respect for. So much respect he left and plays 3 levels below! And I thought he disliked the 'traveling' so only plays home games? Maybe I should have put a fullstop after 'left'. Clearly you don't know the situation or the individuals concerned as well as you think you do. Interesting you think that choosing to play 3 levels below is a sign of disrespect? Surely accepting an illegal approach from another UCL Prem club would have been more disrespectful? He choose the easy way out to play below his ability. Sorry, don't follow the 'illegal approach' bit? Don't know anything about that |
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Post by buggalugs on Dec 8, 2007 15:31:34 GMT 1
Which club are you associated with? That might point to whether you know anything about illegal approaches or whether you're just not telling the truth.
As for "taking the easy way out", you don't know what the circumstances are, and as such don't really know what you're talking about.
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Post by phoenix on Dec 9, 2007 21:45:18 GMT 1
Which club are you associated with? That might point to whether you know anything about illegal approaches or whether you're just not telling the truth. As for "taking the easy way out", you don't know what the circumstances are, and as such don't really know what you're talking about. Not 'associated 'with any club so don't deal with transfers or approach's. Just a football fan who thinks every player should play to their highest ability. If there was a reason other than what I heard for Josh leaving, (don't like the travelling) then maybe you can let us all know. I can understand that players obligations change and have to play for clubs/leagues that allow comittments to be met, so if thats the case fair enough, but as I say, I heard different? |
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Post by buggalugs on Dec 10, 2007 14:40:57 GMT 1
Funny, I got the impression you were linked in some way with Long Buckby. Your exhortation to get everyone along on Saturday didn't do anything to diminish that.
As for reasons, they aren't really anyone else's business. My real beef is where judgements are being made based on false premise without the facts being known, but where the facts are nothing to do with anyone on here, then maybe people spouting the inaccuracies should just accept and move on? My comment that is relevant to the subject of this thread was that Josh, having signed for Wootton St George, knew he was ineligible for the Junior Cup game and therefore didn't play. Daventry United are subject to the same rules and ignorance was no excuse.
You seemed to have no problem affording yourself this kind of guardian status in the Botterill/Sandy business a few weeks ago, but you say you aren't linked with a club? Long Buckby are very lucky indeed to have such a knight in shining armour to fight their battles without seeking any formal ties ....... I wonder what that funny smell is?
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Post by charlie on Dec 11, 2007 16:26:22 GMT 1
as i have sat quietly on this situation i thought it time to maybe put it to sleep . yes ian waldock did play against wooton and no i didnt know or ian did not know the situation . i would have never played ian if i was aware of the situation and especially not against a team two levels below , it was his first game back for us and it was totally overlooked so call it what u like buggerluggs but i can asure you it was not ignorance . as a manager and team we cant believe it but u have to take the punishment and just like whits we will have to sit it out . good luck to wooton in the next round and hope they do well .
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Post by buggalugs on Dec 12, 2007 16:32:33 GMT 1
.......... no i didnt know or ian did not know the situation . ............i can asure you it was not ignorance . Contradicting yourself charlie. If you didn't know the situation then that is the definition of ignorance. Don't confuse it with arrogance - I'm not accusing you of just doing it anyway even though you knew it was wrong. You didn't know, therefore you were ignorant of the facts. My real point is that as a UCL club then you shouldn't be in that position - someone in your club should have been aware and not allowed it to happen. Probably your club secretary. Wootton knew they had an ineligible player for exactly the same reason and didn't play him. Not knowing (or ignorance to use the word in it's correct context) is not an excuse. |
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Post by phoenix on Dec 13, 2007 22:20:16 GMT 1
.......... no i didnt know or ian did not know the situation . ............i can asure you it was not ignorance . Contradicting yourself charlie. If you didn't know the situation then that is the definition of ignorance. Don't confuse it with arrogance - I'm not accusing you of just doing it anyway even though you knew it was wrong. You didn't know, therefore you were ignorant of the facts. My real point is that as a UCL club then you shouldn't be in that position - someone in your club should have been aware and not allowed it to happen. Probably your club secretary. Wootton knew they had an ineligible player for exactly the same reason and didn't play him. Not knowing (or ignorance to use the word in it's correct context) is not an excuse. I spoke to Ian last week and even HE didn't realise he was ineligible. He said it just didn't click that playing for Woodford in a competition against Brackley would effect him playing for Dav Utd. I can see that happening on other occasions as well. But the secretary must take some blame as he should have informed the manager what players are eligible for which games if they are transferred in. |
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Post by phoenix on Dec 13, 2007 22:37:10 GMT 1
Funny, I got the impression you were linked in some way with Long Buckby. Your exhortation to get everyone along on Saturday didn't do anything to diminish that. As for reasons, they aren't really anyone else's business. My real beef is where judgements are being made based on false premise without the facts being known, but where the facts are nothing to do with anyone on here, then maybe people spouting the inaccuracies should just accept and move on? My comment that is relevant to the subject of this thread was that Josh, having signed for Wootton St George, knew he was ineligible for the Junior Cup game and therefore didn't play. Daventry United are subject to the same rules and ignorance was no excuse. You seemed to have no problem affording yourself this kind of guardian status in the Botterill/Sandy business a few weeks ago, but you say you aren't linked with a club? Long Buckby are very lucky indeed to have such a knight in shining armour to fight their battles without seeking any formal ties ....... I wonder what that funny smell is? Well if you thought that why dont you say what you mean? I dont have a seat on the committee of any club so have no influence on matters that you speak of (illegal approaches? etc). But as I said I heard a rumour why Josh wanted to leave. As you say it is nobodys business so why do you keep on with it? My only question was why play so low when you have the ability to do better. Personal reasons are valid and if that is the case, so be it. End of story. Oh, the only formal tie I have is my old school one and the smell is fine on this side. Must be you keep stirring it on your side. |
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