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Post by rabbit on Feb 23, 2009 19:02:16 GMT 1
which clubs are not up to the required standard and will they all really go down.
Are we really saying that 5/6 clubs could be relegated ?
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Post by generaldogsbody on Feb 23, 2009 20:58:00 GMT 1
Why do you care? By your previous "record" you'll be pleased to see Clubs in trouble, that's your speciality, isn't it.
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Post by jeffl on Mar 16, 2009 9:45:06 GMT 1
We have all been waiting to see how the United Counties League is going to implement the FA directive regarding minimum ground standards - and here it is ...
At a meeting of the Leagues Committee held on Thursday 5 March the following decisions with regard to the Step 5 ground grading process was agreed.
· The Ground Grading Technical Panel will submit to Leagues Committee a detailed list of Step 5 clubs that have failed to meet the F Grade requirements by 31 March 2009. This report to be made available by 10 April 2009.
· Any club that fails to meet the F Grade to be advised that they will be classed as being one of the “relegated clubs” at the end of the current playing season.
· Should there be more clubs in a particular competition that fail to meet the F Grade than there are relegation places then the aforementioned clubs be ranked in accordance to their final league positions and relegation applied accordingly. Clubs that are retained without the F Grade will continue to be classed as relegated clubs and will be dealt with accordingly the following year should they again fail to meet the requirements of the F Grade.
· Clubs relegated will be replaced by clubs in Step 6 that fully comply with the current requirements of the G Grade and can prove that they will be able to meet the F Grade by 31 March in the year following promotion and qualify for promotion by virtue of their final league position. The lateral movement of clubs at Step 5 will also be taken into account at this point.
· Should there be sufficient clubs at Step 6 that meet the G Grade requirements then they be promoted to replace the clubs that fail to meet the F Grade.
· In the case of a Step 5 competition that does not have relegation to a Step 6 competition clubs that fail to meet the requirements of the F Grade will be classed as one of the “relegated clubs” and dealt with accordingly.
· In the case of a Step 5 competition that has a number of its member clubs fail to meet the F Grade requirements, then the Leagues Committee will meet with that competition to discuss their situation after which a decision will made upon the status of that competition.
· Individual clubs seeking dispensation will be dealt with on their individual merits.
The current development has been slowly moving along and as recent visitors to Leading Drove will have seen, the old clubhouse and changing facilities have gone and the club will use temporary facilities in the interim period. Other improvements have been made in keeping with the league ground inspector who I have personally kept informed of our progress. I sincerely trust that the committed and demonstrable progress will be recognised and as a club working hard towards making the grade and delivering a community facility. The current financial climate provides even more challenges than of late but where there is a will ... For those who continually ask how long it will take - well it depends totally on money and it is possible that we may have to consider phasing if the full amount of £350,000 is not available at the start of construction.
Jeff Lenton
President - Yaxley FC
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Post by thepinkun on Mar 16, 2009 11:08:35 GMT 1
Could someone clarify my understanding please?
As there are only two relegation places in the Prem, I understand that a maximum of 2 teams can be relegated. All others failing to meet the requirement having relegation suspended for a season unless they get their house in order
But then I read this line......
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So does this mean, if for example 6 teams fail the criteria in the Prem and 6 teams in Div 1 have the facilities required this would mean 6 relegated and 6 promoted???
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Post by jeffl on Mar 16, 2009 12:34:12 GMT 1
My take on it is as follows:
If you are a Prem club and finish in the bottom 2 of the league then you're to be relegated.
However, if you meet the standards, and there is somebody above you who doesn't meet the standards, they will be relegated instead of you.
If there is a Div 1 club who has finished in a promotion place and they have the required standard - AND MORE IMPORTANTLY - even if they haven't, can commit to reaching them by 31st March next year, then they will be promoted and you will be relegated.
If there are no teams in Div 1 who are or can commit to the standard (I guess previous track records on delivering commitments may/should be considered here) then I'm not sure.
The league needs to wait and see the likley finishing positions - Div 1 champs has to be PNS - don't know what they are committed to or can deliver.
It does seem a little ironic that those clubs who allegedly have consistently waved 2 fingers at the league but finish in the table so as to be out of the relegation drop could be waving those fingers again.
Time will tell ...
By the way, congratulations to St. Neots. I went there for the first time - WOW !!! - now that's what you call a facility. If only we could all reach that standard - dream, dream, dream! Did feel a little strange though - it didn't feel like that UCL club feeling. Players on loan from xxxxx, others on work experience from xxxx, what's happened to the club? Not that I'm saying I'd do anything differently - just a strange feeling and probably just me being more than a little jealous :-) Good luck to them and hope they keep the spirit of non-league!
Jeff
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Post by maninthemiddle on Mar 16, 2009 14:43:13 GMT 1
By the way, congratulations to St. Neots. I went there for the first time - WOW !!! - now that's what you call a facility. Agreed, truly outstanding. Well done to everyone at St Neots. |
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Post by chipsandgravy on Mar 16, 2009 14:47:17 GMT 1
PNS HAVE GOT THE FLOODLIGHTS BASES READY JUST NEED THE WIREING AND THEN JUST TO PUT THEM UP WHICH IS VERY LIKLEY TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE 31ST MARCH DEADLINE.ALSO THE STAND BASES WILL BE GOING IN THIS WEEK SO HOPEFULLY PNS WILL HAVE THE GROUND READY FOR PROMOTION
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Post by generaldogsbody on Mar 16, 2009 20:35:44 GMT 1
So Jeff, as it looks like Potton and Rothwell Corinthians for the drop by way of LEAGUE position, are they Clubs that meet the F Grading, in your opinion and every one else's for that matter. Personally I would think they both fail on a couple of points. However, should they be up to F Grade, does that bring Bourne, Wellingborough, Desborough and probably Blackstones into the equation? Clear as mud, why can't the League just issue a list of who does and who doesn't, why the secrecy?
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Post by jeffl on Mar 16, 2009 21:10:43 GMT 1
GDB - well there's a question! I think Potton will be OK but I don't know their or any other clubs outstanding details or status. I don't think it's a matter of secrecy from the league - more not having an up to the minute status of all clubs. Don't forget that they are like us - volunteers and they have day jobs to do. I know that it sounds like I'm defending the league, but it's the FA who are driving this and to be fair, I can recall lots of confusing messages and U turns from national HQ.
What I do believe is that the clubs who have been doing their best over the past couple of years to improve their faciliies should be given due consideration - as to who will or won't be relegated ... I reckon your guess is as good as mine.
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Post by topcat on Mar 16, 2009 22:34:34 GMT 1
I told you the letters were in the post and the clubs who can stay up know who they are already  |
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Post by railwatcher on Mar 17, 2009 10:11:37 GMT 1
Just a point of correction, the point Jeff has published on here is NOT I would suggest the final word from the UCL Management Committee, the extract taken from the latest fixture bulletin is in fact the directive from The FA, of which I would suggest that the UCL will need to seek clarification on a number of points.
Remember 31st March 2009 is the deadline for facilities to be provided, after which the UCL ground grading can then be concluded and success's and failures on facilities can be identified.
I would suggest that 1 major flaw in the directive is clubs who have chosen to ignore the improvements and continue to shell out the wonga to players might have some comfort by being further up the league table, I would suggest this not to be correct in any way; and against The FA's principles at other times when paying prize money out in the national competitions!
Bring on the results the clubs all need to benchmark themselves, perhaps it may instill a little competition all of its own!
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Post by lino on Mar 17, 2009 18:04:40 GMT 1
Surely the FA have it in their hands to limit who is qualified to enter the FA Cup/Vase/Trophy and can bar those who don't meet F grade (or better if they want to be nasty), thus spreading the prize money between less clubs = more for those who do work on facilities and nothing for those who don't. Interesting to see where the players go if they are not in the National Cups.
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Post by cookie on Mar 17, 2009 18:07:19 GMT 1
Well what fun this will be, relegating clubs on standard of facilities not standards of play.
If its come to this,,, how sad.
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Post by porthos on Mar 17, 2009 20:53:54 GMT 1
What is sad is that it looks like those clubs sticking up the 2 fingers - as jeffl comments - could well get away with it yet again.
Whereas those that spend money on facilities instead of playing expenses, take their commitments seriously and possibly suffer in league position as a consequence, get kicked in the teeth for their trouble.
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Post by cookie on Mar 17, 2009 21:03:32 GMT 1
Yep fair point too.. sad all round!
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